We don’t want their trains - we just want their network frequencies, transit authority model, and ridership numbers.
Do these A-series have the same gauge as in QLD, and are the compatible with QLD’s signalling and other stuff that make train go?
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Same guage and electrification. Back in the day some of our old SX carriages went there.
Aren’t the Transperth sets built to accommodate a larger loading gauge though?
Their B series sets are 2.91m wide while our SMU260/IMU160s are 2.7m. Their C series sets are apparently 3.02m wide while our NGRs are 2.74m wide.
While we share a track gauge with WA, Queensland has the narrowest trains in the country, and they can’t get any wider because the rail infrastructure (trackside hardware, tunnels, platforms) don’t allow for it.
Seems easier to just increase the QTMP order which many of us have been calling for on this forum.
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It may be the Transperth trains only operating on select areas of the QR Network in 2032 which can fit them so the QR trains in that area can be used in other spaces on the network.
That could be it
This is absolutely not going to happen.
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I agree honestly. I think instead of 65 trains, we will need at least 90 QTMP. Also as the older SMU/IMUs will be reaching late 30s to 40 years old in the 2030s, even with recent refurbishments, it makes sense to order more QTMP to provide more trains for the games and then post games, replace older SMU/IMU. The reason I say keep SMU/IMU until after the games is because we need every train we got for 2032. But keep in mind SMU200/IMU100 were built in early-mid 1990s and SMU220/IMU120 were built late 1990s-early 2000s. So they will be reaching late 30s/early 40s in operational life. Also they should add door buttons to the QTMP and bring back 4 seaters. I have also heard complaints of lack of bag racks but I never actually see many people using them on existing trains. Also I prefer keeping my personal belongings with me. There should be sufficient space under your seat for bag and if you have luggage then sit in the carriage with longitudinal seating.
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Yes. Agree broadly at least 100.
See previous discussion https://forum.bettertransportqueensland.org/t/qtmp-number-of-trains/493?u=ozbob
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Spot on! I would love to see ~100 QTMP sets. On top of the upgrades (B2N, LGCFR) to increase capacity, there will also be future upgrades such as The Wave, Springfield → Ripley → Ipswich extension, hopefully in my lifetime even a new spur out to Beaudesert, now seems like the cheapest time to order more sets while the workforce and manufacturing is set up and ready to go.
At some point before 2032 TMR will also seriously need to look at peak and offpeak frequency improvements to cater for population growth (ideally sub-15 minute on ALL lines) and also more capacity for event shuttles during the olympics (sub 10 minute frequency to Gold and Sunshine Coast) - more rollingstock would make this so much easier.
The biggest hinderance should be whether they can build sufficient stabling, The Wave should add 2 stabling yards and I believe another one for LGCFR… will we need more?
Edit: TMR have completed planning in 2025 which looks at expanding Elimbah and Nambour stabling yards pre-QTMP entering service which will also help.
As much as I don’t think that the trains from Perth would be brought over to bolster the fleet given the compatibility issues (loading gauge, DOO, ATP, and other inbuilt incompatible systems), I wouldn’t be so quick to rule out that the Government won’t be thinking about it.
Like everything transport related in this state, the government has no public information about the modelling that supports their Olympic transport planning.
The COMSEQ pre-feasibility reports (2019) estimated that the total PT network would need to carry ~75% more passengers than a standard peak day. The report compared this to London where it was estimated their PT network carried 10% passengers than a standard day.
There were some figures in the 100 Day Review Report about modelled patronage (below) and an indication that the fleet needs to be expanded, but no specifics.
- BNE - GC corridor - “expected daily passenger rail demands of ~193,000 for the Gold Coast far exceeding existing capacities”
- BNE - SC corridor - “expected daily passenger rail demands of ~126,000 for the Sunshine Coast, far exceeding existing capacities.”
As Bob said, we are already down the total fleet size than we should have been when you look at the CRR (V1) EIS and ICRCS. This is a significant problem if left unresolved.
- BNE - SC corridor - “expected daily passenger rail demands of ~126,000 for the Sunshine Coast, far exceeding existing capacities.”
Presently there are 20 services to Nambour weekdays. To move 63,000 going to need roughly 70 services.
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I don’t think rail between Yamanto and Ipswich or Flagstone to Beaudesert is viable. However Springfield to Yamanto and also Salisbury to Flagstone is viable
Isn’t Nambour Gympie being merged and becoming shuttle
More than likely. Just reflecting on the services that will be required, it is a lot and presently they are not able to do that. Moving 126,000 pax on both Nambour and the Wave is going to need plenty of trains. Same for the Goldie. Presently 47 services to Varsity Lakes weekdays. To move say 97,000 pax going to need ~110 services.
Medium term theres still room to expand in redbank stabling yard. Could also whack a few wires up and use redbank yard if needed. Longer term you could easily slap some more stabling yards at rosewood, acacia ridge, outer doomben line and expand kippa ring which would all be fairly easy to do. Some harder ones but worthwhile would be either the lota or hemmant plans. Along with a proper small yard at gympie north.
Currently sector 1 relies far too much on mayne but getting something on the ferny grove line would be near impossible to do economically.
Just for added context - that’s 319,000 people daily on those two lines, on a network that’s current record daily patronage is 252,000 for all lines.
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Yeh that’s going to be an absolute crush unless they increase frequencies
For those passenger loads going to need something like 8 trains per hour for the GC line. Don’t think it will be achieved.
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Yeh we are going to need a high speed train.
Sucks we are building Coomera connector as that could of been a potential HSR corridor
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Speed isn’t the biggest issue, capacity is. Having HSR won’t fix that.
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I think we should be advocating for more information about the event transport planning. Its been 7 years since the COMSEQ feasibility report came out and it had huge investments in transport required to meet the transport challenge, and we haven’t seen anything similar come out of either government about how it is going to be met.
Even with the Faster Rail improvements COMSEQ were pushing for, they modelled that there was still a significant shortfall in capacity for inter-regional trips.
See 2032-SEQ-Olympic-and-Paralympic-Games-Feasibility-Study.pdf page 178 (PDF 186)
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