IF the QT was to do a project of this scale, why not “go for it” and put the line in a tunnel and then underground in via UQ and then on in through West End etc and across the city, via Albert St and down toward Fortitude Valley, New Farm, Newstead etc etc
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You’re certainly welcome to post your own version / variation. Would it be heavy rail or independent metro?
a new line could go from fortidude valley to the gabba and uq onto the centenary suburbs
Feel free to post a map 
Think as a group BTQ needs to move away from individual route ideas and set out a vision along the conceptual lines Jonno has. It won’t be perfect but it will be based on strong concepts
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Yes to having broader concepts, yes to less emphasis on random pie in the sky route ideas.
I’d rather focus on advocating for projects that are already in the public discourse. Ie if we’re talking about new infrastructure let’s focus on things like Salisbury to Beaudesert, OOL extension, etc. Things that there’s actually a chance in happening.
I’m not really a big fan of a lot of Jonnos ideas so once again rather than focus on the random ideas of one guy, let’s stick to stuff that’s realistic
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So a concept of trunk BRT routes connecting across the city that are easy to understand and might actually give good HF coverage is not a good thing to do and too hard? Eek!
Good news, it has been suggested to BTQ to publish ‘Ideal Network Plans’ (INPs) in the future.
Yeah, concept of BRT Trunk routes, yes.
Jonno’s choice of routes and implementation, No.
There is an easy legend provided so what would you do and not do and why?
I don’t have a copy of his map, but from memory many of the routes were way too long, with no thought for driver relief breaks, little consideration of layover facilities at each end as well.
Many of the routes also seemed to ignore land use and passenger demand in favour of just running a big bus down a big road because that’s where the big road goes.
But more importantly, I don’t really care to critique an individual map, because its more of the same thing that this thread is originally about (Centenary Train), in that it’s just some idea by some guy. I don’t care to speculate about inventing a new network when I feel that shouldn’t be our job
This is getting into the weeds but I’ve always been a pragmatist when it comes to dealing with government, and I’d rather BTQ focus on advocating for important, achievable nearer - term goals, that are already in the public eye or discourse, rather than proposing new networks and infrastructure that are pie in the sky, foam type stuff. It is my opinion that our messaging should be focused on that sort of grounded stuff, to help it gain legitimacy and momentum.
But anyway, I digress. These are just my opinions on policy and direction and probably better for another thread.
I assume BRT will need have long routes as this is the form of SEQ and driver changes will need to be like trains same as for the depots. It’s also how people are making trips.
Our main roads are how people move around by car so logic says this is how they will move by BRT? It is also where a lot of developments is or should be? It will take planning changes to reverse the inside-out planning of car-centric development!
Not endless BRTs…RAIL! BRTs have their place [and we’ve certainly built a number in SEQ], but they are not the magical answer to everything, no matter how much QT might hope!
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Totally agree but they are a step towards creating legibility and growing patronage.
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For clarification, this concept is a heavy rail proposal. What are your thoughts on it?
My thoughts are we have a lot of work to do, in achieving a generational shift, from an often short-sighted “road based diet” in SEQ (incl BRTs) to a subway/heavy-rail based approach to transit, along key corridors, both existing and new.
In the late 1970’s QldRail revolutionised urban rail travel in Australia, by introducing the first true “state of the art” electric based train units, sleek for the era, aricon’d, based on 25Kv, offering passengers unrivalled travel comfort…the future looked bright…it’s time to recapture that RAIL focused determine to deliver RAIL based transit opportunities.
Ask yourself this, both the Springfield extension to the Ipswich area and the advancement of the GC line to Coolangatta, are two pieces of let’s be blunt “low hanging infrastructure fruit”…but where’s the progress? Both have sat at “interim completion” stages…for years…decades!!! It’s not a good indicator, for genuine forward progress!
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Agree. We need to go back to the Joh era of big infrastructure projects
Apparently the locals didn’t want any changes to the bus routes, so it remained a loop. Sometimes you’ have to ignore what the locals want for the betterment of the overall network and improved connections, but oh well. As anything in transport, it’s political, and people are resistant to change.
Queensland sadly suffers from severe chronic busitis! ie the uncontrollable use of bus based transit models in all situations…except driving around politicians and senior govt boffins! 
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Extending the Springfield line to Ripley or Yamanto seems like such an obvious and easy win.
But the others are all important also.
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