They won’t put in a new station. They would need to put a wider avenue near Exhibition at Gilchrist and then explore a connection from Roma Street. You don’t actually want a station too close to a stadium for both security and safety reasons, but making a wider plaza to connect both or even green streets that can be routinely closed on game day they can cope with that. I expect the future NBB route through Barambin will change anyway with whatever avenues they build.
You don’t want PT close, you want it within a comfortable walk to allow crowds to disperse. Victoria Park offers better PT options than the Gabba did, and as tax payers we are getting a better overall stadium (63-65k not 52k). Victoria Park also has the ability to expand train station capacity, were The Gabba station is two platforms only with no ability to increase capacity and this is where the issue will be on game days.
I would also argue that putting an extra station in will also serve the local schools and residents, not just the stadium.
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It’s an extremely tight fit here, even if you went where the was facility is you’re really aiming at 200m to 500m connections for users and it’s probably not required for the private colleges who are already pretty well served by buses here. Unless you plan to redesign the connection via Spring Hill, you don’t really have the density in that area and quiet a lot of pushback against any of it.
Also you’re losing a bit of throughway here with a large aquatic centre that’s one of the problematic pieces of Victoria Park (this was raised by GIICA who did not recommend the NAC). I don’t see the current Government or even the opposition supporting an additional station. I expect they’ll look at a street to make a ‘green connection’ to connect folks who stay in hotels in the CBD who will just choose to walk to the parklands and stadia. They’d be better off slowing down and putting a good crossing on Gregory Terrace and selecting the best street for this connection. I think this is probably likely given a lot of the design speak so far and the observed movements you already see for events at Lang Park where a lot of folk do just walk from the CBD.
But at least having the station for events, which will continue far beyond 2032 will be so beneficial.
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After the Olympics, there will be relatively few events that wouldn’t be adequately serviced by Exhibition and Herston and/or QUT busway stations.
With regards to access between the stadium and Exhibition Station, while not fully detailed at this stage, the render does envision a more extensive pathway running beneath Bowen Bridge Road and the busway, leading right down to Gilchrist Avenue which looks like it may been partially pedestrianised (used for servicing the stadium before/after events, but pedestrianised for game day access). This may be a preview of where their thinking is heading.
Honestly…
If this is how we’re going to get rid of the utterly pathetic BEC in Boondall so that concerts can be held in a much better location, then so be it.
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The Brisbane Arena at Woolloongabba is the direct replacement to Boondall.
As a frequent concert goer, I can’t friggin’ wait!!! I won’t have to drive to ensure I can get home.
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Going from the complacency around the issue - people think they can simply wave a wand at Victoria Park and chant 
“Brisbane-metro”, when in fact they should be “Ridiculous”.
Hang on… The Gabba and Exhibition are paired by CRR and they have spend $6.4 billion to not have capacity for events on this line when it was built for this?
Is 24 trains/direction not sufficient line capacity? Is 2.5 minute frequencies not frequent?
Don’t think the CRR was built for high-capacity, it was built for high-frequency. If anything this qualifies as a metro system, not those bloody buses.
To quote [Revised Draft Victoria Park Masterplan - Brisbane 2032 Olympic Venue - Your Neighbourhood]
“no new pedestrian connections over the inner city bypass or major public transport infrastructure announcements were included as part of the latest Victoria Park update, with the proposed precinct largely expected to rely on the existing rail and bus network connections servicing the surrounding area.”
“Ridiculous”.
OK… should we invest in them flying taxi shares now?
“Leviosa”.
How much parkland is needed to land 10-15 flying taxi’s. If it the same size as helicopters, then Gilchrist Ave will become a mini-airport, including the noise.
No one is going to walk from Roma Street to VP, in the exact manner as Roma Street to Lang Park.
No one is going to walk from Central station to VP via Spring Hill.
No one is going to walk from Fortitude Valley station to VP via Brunswick St.
Exhibition station it must be.
Aren’t they going to use Gilchrist Ave for buses and have designated bus drop-off and pick-up stops there, or is that Gregory Tce?
It’s not the line capacity that is being talked about, it’s the capacity of the station itself to handle the foot traffic. That being said, the issue is that Woolloongabba was designed from the get go to service a 50,000 seat stadium, but Exhibition wasn’t and may need alterations to better cope with Olympic crowds.
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Say we can achieve that. That means two trains worth of people would need to be able to access the platform every 2.5 minutes continuously. That’s 2,000 people at peak loads, or 800 per minute.
How do you see over 100 people getting through here every ten seconds, continuously for an hour:
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Exhibition was built for all-day event demand with relatively low peaks in passenger traffic, so we would need something more akin to Olympic Park with four platforms on a Spanish Solution layout to tackle the problem.
Either you kill the train wash at Normanby for a new station (with the issue of having to alter the track layout) or you build it after the northern portal at Brisbane Girls Grammar (with the issue of having to serve the station via the Ekka loop and not CRR).
Choose your poison.
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But they do. I’m not plucking this out of my ass, it happened during the UK Lions tour recently and countless concerts (e.g. Metallic) because of surge pricing for Uber and Taxis. I’m talking about walking from CBD hotels, not public transit. If you’re looking at full buses or you look at Google Maps and the train times don’t align, you’re probably walking. Why would it be a problem to pedestrianise a key corridor in the CBD to this Park? I don’t get why this is problematic?
I’ve walked from Camp Nou in Barcelona after Champions League games where you do walk blocks because the metro is backed up and people who are fine with walking may just choose to walk the blocks to their hotel. I’ve also done long walks from Robina Stadium when the buses and trains are at capacity for events just to get to another option. Also people may wish to use Lime or Neuron PMDs instead? Like what already occurs when you’re leaving a precinct late at night and the buses aren’t running for 40 minutes but you can get to a train elsewhere.
God I went to a Big Bash game just this summer gone where the bus lines are so long, people do just walk back via a pub to South Brisbane station. Capacity issues do cause some people to just make another decision to walk elsewhere. You may also see a proliferation of venues and restaurants emerge in Spring Hill along said corridor because it’s nicer streetscaping.
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When 2032 rolls around, will we have enough fleet to sustain pretty much an all-day peak across most of the network (I’d imagine Gold Coast, Redcliffe, Airport, Shorncliffe and Cleveland will be the main lines needed to have this).
Wondering how they’d do it
Don’t forget Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast too…
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I don’t think anyone has a problem with pedestrianising key corridors to the CBD as one part of a much bigger overall crowd transport plan. But is your argument that the status quo of rubbish public transport crowd management capacity that essentially forces most people to walk long distances against their preference is reasonable because we already put up with it at existing legacy venues?
The northern side of Victoria Park is a pretty long and gruelling walk from Central or Roma St - longer and hillier than it looks from a quick glance at a map or satellite image. And certainly much longer and steeper than the walk from Suncorp to Roma St. On a hot day (let alone a wet one) a large chunk of the patrons wouldn’t bother (not everyone is a fit/active young male). Much like the Gabba on game day now, it’ll be ubers, taxis and friends/family picking people up in private vehicles, choking half the city’s road network every second weekend.
Is that the outcome a PT advocacy group is happy with?
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I’m not watching a video from a poster who lists SpaceX and Tesla news as part of their focus. Streets and Scars has a much better youtube video on why CRR has had its issues.
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Having been involved in G20 there is no desire for developers to build hotels for one off events when the Sunshine and Gold Coast exist. Smaller boutique hotels have been built in Brisbane and older properties refurbed but the days of large new hotels in the CBD are over.
I’m not a transport advocate but both Labor and the LNP have said no to an additional station and the greenway routes was the top idea voted on the BCC idea ask.
I am sympathetic you are really supportive of this because you’re clearly living in the area based on your user name but I couldn’t even get two governments to consider an additional station access point to my closest train station and I have to walk an extra 500 metres and when someone in the Department explained to me the cost and safety issues I just got over it and saw it as a future upgrade if the density in the area changes.
It’s not a particularly gruelling walk from Exhibition if the portals and road changes are implemented on Gilchrist.
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