I also think that where possible PT options, especially for longer distances like that should be rail based. Brisbane and SEQ are past the point where bus based solutions are adequate.
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hell no
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Tunnel starts at Carseldine but existing Gympie Arterial Road would be upgraded from the Pine Rivers Bridge (Bruce Highway) at Bald Hills
It can also include a bikeway through the cross passage tunnel
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I live in Warwick. My family lives on Bribie Island. My wifeâs family lives in Redcliffe. We visit frequently as we have a newborn, but admittedly less so when diesel is $3 a litre.
I am not convinced public money should be spent on this.
The western suburbs deserve a PT upgrade, both north and south. A new straighter rail alignment getting out of Brisbane for the North Coast Line would be nice. It is not clear to me how a road tunnel through the back of Brisbane creates opportunities to add-on the most beneficial or cost effective public transport infrastructure the city or these areas need. The East-West link may have some prospects for a concomitant PT project though.
What specific public transport links would you propose that this north-south tunnel creates the opportunity to build?
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It could create a busway along the centenary Highway and also allow for PT improvements to Gympie road just to name a few.
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Personally, a western highway bypass around Brisbane would be preferred over the Gympie Road Tunnel, however as a matter of priority, it is quite low.
Iâd prefer to see the existing bypass roads untolled and a congestion toll introduced in the city before alternative bypass highways are investigated. Since from the North, you are already able to get to Ipswich via the Gateway, Airport Link, and Legacy Way Tunnels, or the Gateway and the Logan/Ipswich Motorways already. Encouraging their use over inner-city roads like Milton Road would be a huge step towards reducing vehicle traffic in the city.
The other priority would be adding a new multimodal freight facility in the north to reduce the number of heavy vehicles travelling from Acacia Ridge to the north through the city.
Additionally, adding a western freight rail corridor would also be more beneficial to take freight off of the congested North Coast line. Thereâs plenty of space to add a dedicated freight track between Darra and Ipswich since it follows the highway for a lot of the route, and then you could revitalise the rail line north through Esk and around Somerset towards Gympie.
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Orbital arterial and we got the sections on east with gateway motorway and south with logan motorway so we still missing the 1/3 to complete the orbitial triangle
Just realised theres Centenary & WesternâŚ.so just 16 or so km of missing links to complete the orbitial.triangle
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Thereâs a reason that 16 km hasnât been built yet. Itâs going to be eye-wateringly expensive, because most of it will need to be tunnelled.
It is a vital missing link but tunneling is the only option. I donât see a tunnel being affordable. Ideally, you would need a tunnel with 3 or 4 lanes each way to handle high volumes of cars and trucks 100kph and a bus lane. Gateway Motorway diverts around 150K cars a day away from the city. The Western Bypass needs to do similar.
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Latest draft plans released for Holdsworth Street signalisation at Coorparoo Junction. Unfortunately the links donât seem to be working at the moment: Cavendish Road intersection upgrade - Coorparoo | Brisbane City Council
New plans look very good.
- Pleasantly surpised to see them completely block off Kitchener Street.
- Upgrade will make the Woolworths precinct significantly more pedestrian accessible, especially to the 185 outbound stop.
My main concern is that it seems that the Cavendish Road bus layover zone is being removed (Approx 3 bus spaces) which is a blow to bus operations. Also seems strange that the lane layout is funneling Cavendish Rd outbound into the left lane given the right lane is the main lane (Right lane is straight only at Old Cleveland Road while left lane is often blocked due to either buses at the stop, giving way to pedestrians on the left turn or parked cars on the other side of Old Cleveland Road).
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What are the problems at this intersection that this is trying to solve? Have there been many crashes?
Combination of safety (Pamphlet above quotes 17 crashes 2017-2024) and probably efficiency as the intersection blocks up the surrounding streets/roads.
It is pretty shocking in its current state with many trying to zig-zag across:
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I used to live around the corner, crashes were not uncommon. Itâs an offset intersection in a high traffic environment where people are forced to make split second decisions on whether to pull out or not.
With the bus layover in use (or cars parked on the other side of the road outside the shops) it would often funnel 3 directions of traffic into one lane like so:
More often than not youâd see a car coming out of the green colliding with a car doing the blue manoeuvre, or a car would pull out of holsworth to turn right and not see a car turning out of Kitchener.
The intersection also gets backed up when the Coorparoo level crossing is down for a long time or when the Cavendish/Old Cleveland road lights are red for too long which is also very hazardous.
Some brave drivers also go from Holsworth over to Kitchener and vice versa which is crazy to watch in peak, so many near misses because they often block a lane for some time waiting to complete the turn.
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I donât have a problem with any road tunnel proposal, on the condition itâs built with the capacity for future RAIL operations through it corridor/station cavities etc
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I have the hunch the car lobby called them âfreewaysâ but theyâre very very expensive . Should they be renamed extensiveways?
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The idea of spending an extra $30 billion on freeways when we canât even get a rail extension built is criminally stupid. Iâm sorry to be blunt, but this kind of idea has absolutely no place in the 21st century.
BTQ should be very firm in calling for absolutely no new freeways or freeway expansions. If building road tunnels was going to fix private vehicle congestion instead of making it much worse (as has happened) we would have seen some evidence by now.
As a society, we have limited time and resources to fix our deeply irrational, destructive, expensive and deadly transport system, and this kind of thinking would take us backwards.
There is a very good reason why infrastructure Australia doesnât recommend a single new urban freeway or road project as a priority.
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Thank you to both of you for explaining!
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Could not agree more. For the cost of this road we could literally have a world class (real) metro.
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Yeah because the terrain sucks