The Wave (DSCL)

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I think it’s fairly clear that the preferred corridor is still using CAMCOS. The proposed station location at Mountain Creek all but confirms this.

How do members feel about this? Should BTQ advocate against the use of this corridor?

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Yes I think we should. If a dedicated busway is set up in the rail corridor, wave goodbye to any further rail!

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Absolutely for advocating against this. It’s a bad alignment for the metro buses, and it also screws over any actual extension of the rail line into the region

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Yeah, we should advocate against the protected rail corridor to be used for bus. If they love bus so much, we should advocate for the implementation of the Sunshine Coast Mass Transit Project (via the coast to the airport)

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Just put my feedback against the proposed stage 3 bus for an all rail solution beyond Birtinya.

Does TMR even consider general stakeholder feedback seriously instead of cherry-picking the pieces of feedback that fit their narrative? I have my doubts since the LNP government pulled this silly bus proposal out of their backsides despite overwhelmingly positive feedback for rail to Maroochydore.

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I’m not an official member, but yes, definitely! Develop the coastal route which will be needed anyhow. Keep the other route preserved for rail!

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Here here. I’m also not a member but feel very strongly about this project, it serving the region of my childhood home. Rail all the way to at least Maroochydore via the CAMCOS/DSCRL corridor; if not now, then preserved for the near future, post-2032 Olympics. The Wave can be the start of the Sunshine Coast Mass Transit Project, delivered as a bridging measure relatively cheaply through bus-only lanes for the time being along the original Mass Transit Project corridor, then reconsidered for upgrade post-2032 Olympics.

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I also don’t believe that the bus should go in the rail right of way. That said, I don’t think there is time to build anything close to a brt product in the SCPT corridor that is going to be able to support the frequency that (I assume) they intend to provide.

I’d be cautious putting all eggs in the SCPT corridor basket as part of objecting to the rail right of way.

I see your point. It’s hard to image a balance between future-proofing and compromise with less than seven years left, a crippling construction industry, and a less-than-accountable government that continues to move the goal posts. Considering these factors, especially the short timeframe, a <=5 min frequency regular bus service along the SCMTP corridor may be a realistic option that could be delivered with the current fleet, even if needing to contract private operators as what happens with rail replacements. I don’t see it possible that an all-new fleet of HESS vehicles or similar are procured, tested, and put into operation along an enhanced let alone dedicated right of way within this time.

All this and I’m only guesstimating. Yes, let’s preserve the railway right of way, but making the connection beyond that to Maroochydore needs to be carefully considered and quickly. I’ll let the members do the more complicated discussion.

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Government Statement: Work starts on the Sunshine Coast’s Mooloolah River Interchange Upgrade

  • The improved interchange will also allow for an enhanced public transport system by providing connectivity for The Wave .
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Where’s the final design report and EIS?

What provisions for the DSCL will be included? - will the concrete viaduct for the rail line also be included in construction? Makes no sense to build the road part then come back in 10 years and have to build the rail infrastructure around the MRI. Exactly like the Gold Coast Highway, when they widened it they removed any chance of a parallel heavy rail line to the GC Airport.

I do not see any new busway station at Mountain Creek on the MRI anywhere for ā€œThe Waveā€ bus? All of the bus stops I see are existing ones at Brisbane St and Nicklin Way.

Apparently the Wave either includes a section that teleports you to Caloundra, or it turns into a train and stops at Caloundra? Or is it more like the Wave will be ā€œextendedā€ to Caloundra if the DSCL is not built on time.

Assume you mean the Pacific Motorway here, but regardless - who says?

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I wonder how they are going to cater for BRT at this exchange. None of the drawings depicted a segregated busway or anything like that, just the motorway and flyovers.

There is some green paint on some of the drawings but I can’t work out what it is? Is it actually a busway or for cyclists?

First drawings months ago indicated that there would be a separate bridge structure included just for BRT.

What if they put in a Perth-style railway line from Varsity Lakes to OOL. Surely they would have the political willpower to do that.

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ā€œThis is more than just a road upgrade - it’s about delivering the generational infrastructure Queensland needs for the future,ā€ Premier Crisafulli said.

ā€œWe’re backing the Sunshine Coast with real investment, real action, and a real plan to fix the transport bottlenecks that have held it back for too long.ā€

By forcing people to switch from a train to a bendy bus halfway through their trip to the beach :thinking:

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Probably the bus hub for the local routes e.g 600, 601, 602, 603, 604 etc.. (Terminus moved from the existing Caloundra Bus Station to the proposed Rail Station).

The corridor needs to be easily converted… we can rush lay down foundation for BRT

Then once 2032 olympics done, convert to rail

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There’s no point. If you’re going to do that, just build rail in the first place as any surface structure that is up to rail standard will be way more expensive than a busway structure anyway

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The entire Varsity Lakes-Tugun upgrade was a missed opportunity.

The fact that most of the reserved corridor was used for new off-lanes, road improvements and a massive cycling lane along the The Palm Beach-Tugan section has made it so that one can only conclude that no provision was given for the heavy rail.

Unless TMR is willing to build the entire extension as a 12km long elevated corridor with two of the stations elevated, and stopping at Tugan and no where near the GC Airport terminal, then it is a dead cause. :skull_and_crossbones:

Has cancelling GCLR4 renewed anyone’s interest in building this extension?

This is exactly the same situation as what the MRI will be doing. ā€œProvisions for heavy railā€ must mean something else in Queensland when road are concerned.

Going from track history it will be some bullshit fake metro service called ā€˜The Rip Current’ or something that we will end up getting. The never-ending obsession with longer buses in place of rail is getting out of control.

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