2032 - Brisbane Olympics

[Verbatim9]

More thoughts on a busway spur.

It can provide emergency services access.
Provide VIP access
Better accessibility access
Improved egress with metro buses

Most of all cost effective with cut and cover tunnelling technology.

[GonzoFonzie]

From the article:

“So we [The Courier Mail] asked AI which transport upgrades and changes we need to make next in order to access the venue of our dreams”

1. Inner Northern Busway and Brisbane Metro.
2. Cross River Rail.
3. Roma Street interchange.
4. Active transport bridges - (10 new bridges)
5. Upgraded Transport Coordination Centre.
6. Target to minimise traffic.
7. Universal accessibility.

They also must of asked AI to develop the artist’s impression of the Victoria Park stadium too, because they are bad.

@ClevelandLine

• Prepares to eat own words when they all turn out to be road projects *

Don’t worry, the Brisbane 2032 Olympic legacy is still on track to be for roads, and more broken promises.

[SeekTraining]

Is it poorer journalism to have AI write the article for you, or to just write an article yourself about prompts you asked the AI?

[Verbatim9]

^^That’s what they all do now. Yet they do seem to edit it themselves.

[McFly]

@Trodden_Path

Couldn’t agree more; it’s a very backwards decision. I would have much preferred Northshore Hamilton to be developed with a one-station extension of the Doomben line. It would have been much, much better for the city and probably an easier and cheaper build thanks to not having to design around other major areas such as a hospital, park, and major arterial roads.

What are the figures on how it takes to move 40,000 patrons away from a single point along a single rail line. I say 40K because maybe 1/3 of passengers will utilise a different PT mode (bus or ferry).

It’s easy enough to get away from a fully packed MCG (100K) due to the plethora of PT options + active transport. There’s a reason Sydney’s Olympic Stadium died a slow death. Major venues at the end of PT routes are a recipe for dissatisfaction.

[McFly]

@Habitant

I’ve said it again: there are dozens of cities in the world that would pay anything to be able to go back in time and preserve their central parklands.

Out of interest, which cities are the dozens?

[sherooda]

Or perhaps they will turn the icb into a temporary parking lot for events in the new stadium.

Does any other place on Earth occupy a busy motorway for a temporary parking lot for major events? If not, then Brisbane would be the first city to implement this innovative new event transport solution.

[ExpressToNorthgate]

As do stadiums that have improper PT links too far for pedestrians or vertically unsuitable for pedestrians. A Barrambin stadium in the proposed location only works with a new events station.

[ExpressToNorthgate]

Is it going to have to be closed during Olympic events anyway due to the proximity to the new stadium and it going underneath the Olympic village?

[McFly]

@ExpressToNorthgate

As do stadiums that have improper PT links too far for pedestrians or vertically unsuitable for pedestrians. A Barrambin stadium in the proposed location only works with a new events station.

No arguments from me. Totally nonsensical talk from the blue guys. I can see them arguing that they’ll close down the ICB during the Olympics and use that to move people back into the city via bus. But what about for concerts and full-capacity sporting events after that?

I did register the specific phrasing used by the Deputy Premier is somewhat vague. After all, the stadium wasn’t going to be where they are planning now.

I definitely think some lobbying on that matter would be a good thing. I’d love to see any of the modelling that leads to the conclusion that it is not needed.

For those who’ve paid attention to this kind of thing, what kind of lead time might they need for design, construction etc of a new station?

[Electro_Sykes]

Keep the existing entertainment centre and renovate it. And also build the Brisbane Live. As we grow as a city we are going to need more than one venue of this size.

[Electro_Sykes]

Yeah I think the old Toombul Shopping Centre site would of been better for a stadium

[McFly]

@Electro_Sykes

Keep the existing entertainment centre and renovate it. And also build the Brisbane Live. As we grow as a city we are going to need more than one venue of this size.

It’s terrible to get away from with only 10-15K attendances, I can’t imagine 60+K.

You really need multiple modes of transport with multiple PT dispersal patterns moving at least 2 directions. As much as I’d love a brownfeld site, there isn’t one suitable in the inner suburbs. Toombul might have been OK, but the closer it is to the city, the more functional it will be.

[Habitant]

Literally every city in the world that doesn’t have a large central greenspace?

[sherooda]

Highly doubt that because the state government sees roads as vital transport infrastructure that will cause problems if they get every get closed down. The ICB will probably see reduced lanes during stadium construction.

[GonzoFonzie]

Sounds like something L.A. will do first, and only thing Brisbane can copy; that and their fetish for longer and wider roads and freeways.

L.A. is going hard on PT infrastructure and extensions, Brisbane’s got some bendy buses and no subway or LRT.

Blue team does not has have a clue, vested interests are the ones making the decisions for the Olympics, hence Victoria Park. No plan B.

[Ozbob]

Legal action against the Victoria Park stadium plan is ongoing. I am not sure they will be successful but it does appear that this fact is totally ignored by Government.

[Trodden_Path]

Yes, with just one end-of-the-line station, 63000 people leaving at once would be a problem as Sydney grapples with, but I had envisaged the location becoming much more connected in the future with the terminus of the long-floated Brisbane Subway and a stop on a potential great circle railway that several people here have talked about from time to time. Furthermore, Northshore is a PDA and I’m sure the future holds several reasons to stick around, thus staggering crowds. It might be out of the city a little bit but the (lost?) potential for that future connectivity to the north and south around the city instead of through it, and the opportunity for brownfield revitalisation, made it the best spot in my eyes. Though, despite my argument for long-term planning considerations in my submission to the Games public consultation last year, I’m afraid the current plan has very little or none at all.

[McFly]

@GonzoFonzie

Blue team does not has have a clue, vested interests are the ones making the decisions for the Olympics, hence Victoria Park. No plan B.

I’m not fan of that side of politics, but honestly if you want a stadium that works it need to be close to the city centre and multiple points of egress. At the risk of repeating myself, if you want a sporting stadium that people will go to having it easy to get to and more importantly easy to get away from (without waiting in queues for PT). VP is the best worst option there is.

[McFly]

@Trodden_Path

Yes, with just one end-of-the-line station, 63000 people leaving at once would be a problem as Sydney grapples with, but I had envisaged the location becoming much more connected in the future with the terminus of the long-floated Brisbane Subway and a stop on a potential great circle railway that several people here have talked about from time to time. Furthermore, Northshore is a PDA and I’m sure the future holds several reasons to stick around, thus dispersing crowds. Though, despite my argument for long-term planning considerations in my submission to the Games public consultation last year, I’m afraid the current plan has very little or none at all.

The subway is lovely idea and one that make a lot of sense. But the short term vision of the Olympics is as important (to the government at least) as it being a long term entertainment venue - if it doesn’t work for the Olympics it’s not going to get built. And we all know how long it’s taken for the CRR to be implemented - there’s no way anything like that will get delivered in time.

And if you’re talking about sporting events like BBL or AFL, these are family friendly events. You (a) don’t want to wait around in lines afterwards and (b) face a long-than-needed PT journey home. Yes, hospo venues around the venue will thin those lines out a bit (depending on the time of day), but not enough I’d fear.

And I think we can all agree that the American model of stadiums in the middle of nowhere that everyone drives to is ludicrous.