You need to learn how to speak Schrinner.
’subject to state approval / translink talks’ is code for “we will ask (again) for more money to run more services because we do not fund them ourselves”
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130 140 150 are also express, and quicker
I am also a big fan of the tag seats, I say as I’m on a carina tag rn
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I would rather them put the money into additional 140s and 333s. (And a few other core routes) than a metro every 3 minutes. Particularly during off peak and weekends
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Geez, they’re game! The 130s and 140s I’ve caught recently are standing room only by the time they hit Griffith. I was actually jumping off sardine tin 130s in the morning peak so I could get on an M1 - even if I was standing on the M1, I find it more comfortable to stand on the LighTrams than conventional buses.
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I get the lingo - it’s just that the Brisbane New Bus Network made it appear as though 3 minute peak frequencies would be made automatic, following the commencement of the Adelaide St tunnel. More clarity from council would’ve been helpful, because it just feels misleading..
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its all smoke and mirrors!! City changing you say?
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I agree with you but to expect this council to be more clear is to set yourself to disappointment. Misleading is their business.
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Maybe it heard it was going to be identified as a “metro” so it escaped while it could…
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I completed an interview on Morning with Steve Austin this morning in BNBN and Olympic Legacy. It’ll be approximately 16 minutes into the program for those interested.
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Interview here>
Well done @rowangray !
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NAM overboard!!! 
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Was the NAM lost overboard near NAM?
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I’m struggling to clearly visualise the benefits of Adelaide st tunnel, is anyone able to clarify thing for me. Unlike with CRR it’s not clearly explained/demonstrated.
At present buses travel into King George Square from the inner northern busway, then they travel under Albert st and Queen st mall before emerging in front of Victoria bridge and crossing to cultural centre.
Adelaide st tunnel will take buses from KGS under Adelaide st, emerging at north quay, and then doing a dog leg onto Vic bridge and onto cultural centre.
So my questions are:
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Given all buses will still pass through KGS and Vic bridge does the tunnel actually increase capacity?
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As BERTs take the tunnel will they move through the city more quickly?
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Will any non-BERTs use Adelaide st tunnel?
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Are there other benefits I’m missing?
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My understanding is that it limits conflict with buses stopping/starting at Queen street, but I’m not entirely sure myself
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So the news article from earlier this month (No Cookies | The Courier Mail) mentioned the following about the tunnel opening:
It delivered a dedicated connection between North Quay and King George Square station, linking the Inner Northern and South East busways to make journeys faster and more reliable.
George St and Turbot St traffic would ease due to more than 1000 bus trips per week being removed.
As no metro vehicles currently use George or Turbot on a regular basis, the quote from the above article would suggest the answer to (3) is “Yes”.
The answer to (4) appears to be “Yes” too in terms of travel times through the city for services avoiding George/Turbot (I can’t find anything that says which routes specifically, but I suspect one could have a look at which routes that currently use George/Turbot could use the tunnel instead).
With regards to (1) I think the reduction in through traffic through QSBS will allow buses that turn right inside QSBS to do so more quickly - this includes the right turn into the snake (they can re-allocate green time at the signals because there won’t be as many buses coming from KGS), as well as the right turn in front of Stops 1D/3A. This would benefit services like the 61 and 385 towards Paddington, as there would be more gaps in bus traffic to perform the turn.
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Based on my observations about the project:
- It likely would allow for an overall increase in capacity, but its main benefit is splitting the current congestion experienced in the Queen Street Bus Tunnel. If you catch a Metro between Cultural Centre and KGS, there’s usually a good few minutes spent waiting in the tunnel - usually enough to hear the arrival chimes 2-3 times over - because the lights at the end are filtering buses left to KGS, right to QSBS and allowing for buses coming out from KGS to head up through the tunnel to exit. The Adelaide Street tunnel splits these streams in half, by separating all Inner Busway traffic from QSBS traffic. Splitting it and allowing each intersection to concentrate on a particular direction should speed up traffic through each intersection.
- Yes, for a few reasons. Firstly, the intersection at the Victoria Bridge/North Quay is sequenced to prioritise movements onto North Quay - in the inbound direction buses basically have the ability to turn left most of the time, only interrupted by that pedestrian crossing over North Quay I believe (which is sequenced separately to the scatter crossing they introduced). On top of that, the bus route around onto North Quay, around and down into the Adelaide Street Tunnel, and through the tunnel and into KGS, is made up of more sweeping curves that should be more bus friendly than the straight line and right angle turn at the Queen Street tunnel. I believe the Adelaide Street tunnel also has a higher speed limit than the Queen Street tunnel, 30km/h vs 20km/h (slowed to 15km/h at the North Quay Portal).
- Pretty well all KGS buses will use the new tunnel I believe, excluding split stop services like the Maroon Glider - it might use the Adelaide Street tunnel in the one direction and Queen Street tunnel in the other, I assume?
- Probably the splitting of congestion mentioned above would be the big one.
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There is effectively a single lane road between Queen Street bus station and KGSBS. only one direction can move at a time. New tunnel eliminates most if the buses using that one way road. I also assume new tunnel will have a faster speed limit.
New tunnel will also allow buses to get into and out of the QSBS a bit easier as there will be less buses using the main roadway through it, and also use it a little bit more of a 1 direction only aspect.
The New tunnel is one of only a few things about the metro project I actually agree with.
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The 330 and other north/westbound bus routes originating from Queen Street go through Adelaide, George, Turbot, and Roma Streets to access the INB between KGS and Roma Street station. Would those bus routes travel through the new Adelaide street tunnel, or would they continue to use the above-ground roads I listed?
They dont use the surface streets? Very few INB routes use surface streets in the city.
30km/h vs 20km/h I believe.
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