Cross River Rail (CRR)

The general consensus seems to be that Central and Exhibition need to be renamed.
We seem to be looping around a lot in this thread on this topic IMO.
Guess thats what happens when I bring up the renaming of a station once :stuck_out_tongue:

There is already a RBWH Busway Station on the network, and it is quite some distance away from Exhibition.

QR have moved away from naming stations after roads in general, as doing so doesn’t really identify the location of the station. Gregory Terrace is some 2km from end to end, so a station named Gregory Terrace only says it is located somewhere along that 2km stretch. Gregory Terrace also has the additional complication of being the common name for major private school St Joseph’s College Gregory Terrace - if you Google “Gregory Terrace”, the school is the first result. A Gregory Terrace Station could be mistaken as being a station attached to the school.

Naming a station after a private business (and one located half a block away) that could potentially be renamed in the future isn’t a good idea, especially when that name is shared by an entire suburb in Ipswich.

Is it? I thought concensus on Exhibition was fairly split?

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Further to my last post, given that Exhibition has been fully redeveloped under its existing name, the only reason I can see it being renamed is as a money wasting exercise to drum up excitement for the Olympics.

Under this scenario, I would predict that it would be renamed “Olympic Village”, or maybe a hyphenated “Olympic Village - Brisbane Showgrounds” or maybe vice versa. I can’t see it taking the name of Victoria Park. If anything, they might look at amending the name of either or both of the Busway Stations to include a Victoria Park reference.

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Do we want to take a poll on whether we think that Exhibition needs to be renamed? Like @nathandavid88, I don’t think there’s any value in renaming Exhibition and disagree that the name is confusing or unclear.

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I’d support a poll. I think Exhibition is exactly the right name because people from Brisbane know exactly what that means, and visitors don’t know where anything is anyway. If I go to another city and try to find a train station I look at a map - I really really don’t care if a station has a non-obvious name - it’s usually just a spur to find out something interesting about the history and culture of the place I’m visiting.

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But then there is Indooroopilly station and Indooroopilly bus stop as well, and they are very much a walk up and down a hill from each other, so renaming Exhibition station to ‘RBWH’ would cause another situation like in Indooroopilly.

Best if Exhibition station gets renamed to ‘Brisbane Showgrounds’ because that is the landmark the station serves. Nowadays, ‘Exhibition’ in Brisbane refers to the festival that only occurs once each year, and it would be odd to have a station named after that annual festival throughout all times of day whether the Ekka is on or not.

Technically the big show thats on there in august hasn’t been the exhibition, or brisbane exhibition for a long time. It’s the royal queensland show, but everything from marketing, ticketing and cultral identity means its the Ekka.
I’m strongly in the camp of keep it at exhibition mainly because there isn’t anything better that doesn’t introduce it’s own problems.

If your average idiot can find a station and it’s name gives a good idea of it’s location or a major point of interest thats close by, then the name is fine. Stop overthinking things people.

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In my defence, I’ve heard people genuinely ask at Birkdale Station ask for where the second platform is :stuck_out_tongue:

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It’s there in our imaginations…

People are missing the point. The issue is not that the name of the station might create confusion in isolation. It’s perfectly fine simply as a station on the network.

The issue is that morning peak trains will terminate there, causing services to literally be named “Exhibition” services, in line with the conventions of the broader network.

That’s what causes confusion. Looking at the PID and thinking, “well I’m not looking for an exhibition service, I’m looking for a regular service.”

Here’s AI to help for anyone still missing the point

In public transport, an “Exhibition service” conventionally refers to special, event-specific transit designed to transport crowds directly to and from large public gatherings, such as trade shows, expos, or major cultural events.

These dedicated services feature:

  • Event-focused routing: Traveling directly to major event venues or centers (e.g., traveling straight to exhibition grounds).

  • Temporal operation: Running only during the dates and hours the event is open, rather than being part of the standard daily timetable.

  • Direct station servicing: Serving specialized or temporarily opened transport nodes

AI is a curse.

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I think when Cross River Rail opens, under the new timetable and the new sectors, we should also give Ipswich passengers the benefit of Express service. Currently select peak hour services on the Ipswich line run express between Darra and Milton, stopping only at Indro. Once CRR opens though I can’t see why that can’t be made permanent (or even in today’s timetable). The corridor is already quad tracked and the Springfield line would serve all the stations in between. Also they should consider lengthening the platforms between Ipswich and Rosewood to handle 6 car trains and then extend regular service to Rosewood. Although currently there isn’t much out that way, that will change quickly and I believe in the next decade once Ripley etc is finished developing, that western side of Ipswich beyond Amberley will be the next to be developed.

But even just making Ipswich an Express would be a game changer for commuters out in the western suburbs.

The only reason I see for doing this is that as SMU/IMU series are retired, there will be no more 3 car units. There isn’t the demand for 6 cars to Rosewood.

Having all-day Ipswich express services would first required running 4 tph to/from Springfield, which I don’t see infrastructure constraints for, but we probably don’t have enough rolling stock right at this moment, or crew.

I believe that’s already the plan.

The IMU/SMU fleet have at least another twenty years in them, surely. Whenever they go it must be worth developing a small fleet of three or even two car trains to support smaller sectors like Ipswich-Rosewood or Beerwah-Cooroy.

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I don’t see any point. There are only 2 stations between Gympie North and Brisbane that can’t take a 6 car train and the current arrangements see 6 car trains serving both. Extending the few stations west of Ipswich will not take much.

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You need something though, Ferny Grove won’t be able to take the NGR/QTMPs

Yep, some of the Sunshine Coast line stations north of Landsborough still feature scaffolding platform extensions today. Not very nice, but get the job done at low cost.

Originally intended as a ‘temporary’ measure in 2010 at a cost of $1.7m for 7 stations… they are very much a permanent fixture now.

Not everything needs to be overthought and overengineered :wink:

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They can take NGRs and QTMPs, the whole gaythorne issue is a giant QR cop out in which nearly every other rail operator would have already fixed by simply having a decent screen with cameras. And other places which have similar sightings issues at some stations which don’t even have guards would have figured out a solution.

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We could extend Doomben line to Corinda to fill the gaps if we reconfigure the track layout.

Green would be Ipswich line tracks (kept as is), light blue is Springfield line tracks, and purple would be tracks used to terminate Doomben line trains. White is tracks used by freight trains only and black are tracks not used in regular service (some of these I would recommend removing to simplify junctions but most should be retained in some form to allow for maximum flexibility). Dashed means new tracks or junctions that would have to be built whilst solid is existing track or infrastructure of some form. Red zone is basically railway infrastructure obstruction (essential infrastructure or building that would have to be relocated out of the way).

Basically to fill in for the service lost by Ipswich running Express and to compliment the Springfield line, I would extend the Doomben line to Corinda. Although some cross river rail documents suggest that it may be extended to Indro, there isn’t enough space to turn around trains there, same with Darra. Corinda on the other hand has 5 platforms. By making Platform 1 accessible from Sherwood and Platform 3 accessible from the Eastern (Springfield line) side of tracks, then up track (city bound track) used by Springfield trains can use platform 3 whilst down track (outbound track) used by the Springfield line can use platform 1 which was formerly used by the Tennyson shuttle. This would free up platform 2 to be used as a terminating platform (made possible by new crossovers to the immediate north of the station) allowing for Doomben line services extended from Roma Street and being able to terminate/turn around without getting in the way of any Springfield line trains (and especially out of the way of express services on the Ipswich line).

If Ipswich was to then run express to Darra, the only station that would see a slight reduction of train services would be Oxley (which is why I would recommend Ipswich line run express from there or Corinda instead of Darra). If the Ipswich line was to run express full time, stopping at Indro and Milton would still be non negotiable.

Below is the current use of platforms at Corinda.

Since we already have 5 platforms, most of the work is just reconfiguring the track layout and adding new junctions and some roughly 300m of new track for the Springfield line side. But the infrastructure is mostly already there in some form and this could also be an opportunity to give Corinda Station a bit of an upgrade in the process.

Should add, due to the Doomben lines single track between Eagle Junction and Doomben, some of the services extended to Corinda would also be paired with Northgate services, creating an Inner suburban style service. I think Ipswich services should be paired with Shorncliffe and Springfield with the Airport line.