Cross River Rail (CRR)

Do you know if the new Beenleigh-Kuraby stations will have allowances made for 9-car trains? Particularly Beenleigh & Loganlea?

In terms of two seat journeys and transfer points, it will Albion on the North side and Boggo Road on the Southside for us once they start testing and commissioning.

Just a quick note on Albion; when are they likely to start that TOD and station redevelopment, as it’s crucial for CRR and enhanced transfer options. (re Level boarding, gap fillers, multiple elevators and preferably escalators as well.

I have just put this here as it’s really part of effective CRR operations from a passenger perspective.

I advocated for escalators at this station primarily for faster and easier transfers between Sector 1 and 2 services . (CRR and Valley and Anzac Sq** services).

**Formerly Central

I am still convinced that they can get away with not duplicating the Shorncliffe line. The section of single track from Sandgate to Shorncliffe is quite short, and that it is one of the less populated and less busier lines in the SEQ train network. The most frequent that the Shorncliffe line needs to be is a train every 10min.

But I do see the need of duplicating the Airport line, it is a major and expanding airport, and passengers would need a frequent and convenient train service of around 7.5-15min all day.

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Yes, agreed. And they don’t have much time to do it - 7 years. If the Airport line is going to be duplicated, they may as well install the DFO station as well.

The airport line already sees 15 minute services all day, with a weird couple of gaps at like 10am and 2pm. Take a look at the timetable and you’ll see it would take very little effort to bump it to 15 minutes all day. The existing single track sections are not a hindrance to 15 minute services.

If you want to run 7.5 minute services that would be an issue, but I think the flat junction with the Shorncliffe line will be the harder problem to solve rather than duplication

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Is it confirmed that Central Station will be renamed Anzac Square? Last I heard, the Transport Minister was still conducting talks with the RSL regarding the name (as they would need to approve the name ā€œAnzacā€).

No. Note he said ā€œformallyā€ not ā€œformerlyā€. I don’t think that’s a typo

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Thanks typo, Yes I meant formerly :winking_face_with_tongue:

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Well that’s just objectively wrong then, as the station is still very much officially called Central. Formally, formerly and currently

…???

I cannot see the Government duplicating the Airport line, especially while the dispute is ongoing with the owners.

I also believe 15min services all day are more than sufficient.

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I would agree, but we’re not currently getting that, and there’s not a lot DTMR can do about it, unless they want to pay Airtrain to run more services. Even during the supposed 15-minute frequency period, there’s some odd gaps, as @SeekTraining has pointed out above.

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Isn’t the problem the merge between the suburbans and mains north of Milton? As it is, the inbound afternoon peak trains need to use the mains to avoid clashing with the outbound peak expresses on the mains.

Ideally you would move to a situation in which between Corinda and Roma St the two westernmost tracks would be inbound and the two easternmost would be outbound in order to avoid conflicts where they merge, but there are many obstacles to that.

It’s not the RSL that would need to approve a name change to Anzac Square, it the the Commonwealth Government - Department of Veterans Affairs. They have the final say over any use of the word Anzac.

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Just saw a post on Facebook about the Salisbury station upgrade, and it got me thinking, it’s such a shame that Yeerongpilly and Moorooka won’t be built with 4 platforms and tracks, as this could be a useful feature to allow better running in peak times in both directions, as well as supporting 15 minute all day frequencies on both the Beenleigh and GC lines.

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Since Anzac Day started in Qld it would be most fitting to commemorate those beginnings with Central being renamed to Anzac Square Station.

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I would still prefer it to be dual named as ā€œBrisbane Central - Anzac Squareā€ or similar, as otherwise you will end up with a station building that physically bears the name ā€œCentral Stationā€ (using lettering that is likely considered to be heritage fabric which shouldn’t be removed), that is completely disconnected to how it is referred to on maps and timetables, etc.

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I’m sure the merge doesn’t help but I’m mostly thinking about how there’s 17tph in AM peak through Darra, out of 20tph presently available on the mains through the city.

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Yes, that’s true, but I’m more concerned with how the tracks work off peak. At the moment all inbound trains use the mains in peak to avoid the flat crossing north of Milton and my understanding is that that only works by not allowing any freights in peak. I’m not sure how we could get higher frequency and expresses all day and still allow freight on the mains.

I asked the question of the team what benefit CRR did directly for the Ipswich and Springfield lines and the answer was none, really.

I should reiterate that this Corinda short-working I’m proposing is peak only and effectively just buying 5-10 years to get the next tunnel in.

Though off peak I suppose the plan is already to move to full time expresses for Ipswich and all-stops for Springfield (not sure how supportable that is once it’s Ripley rather than Springfield)…

I think the plan is for 8tph at least as far as Indro off peak - which judging by SEQ Rail Connect might be 2tph Ippy express, 4tph Springfield, 2tph Indro/Corinda ex Doomben. Surely there’s space for freight in that.